Monday, 16 October 2023

BMW S1000R (and XR and RR of certain years) camshaft / camchain noise. Fitting the updated silver (from black) cam tensioner cap at 16395 miles


BMW S1000R (and related engines for RR and XR)

Many describe S1000R engines as noisy
I think my engine sounds like a bag of spanners, certainly compared to any of the Japanese inline fours. (probably one of the very few 'negatives' of an S1000R when parked up with your mates on a rideout)

Probably my biggest complaint of this bike, but in reality I dont think theres anything really wrong and it still performs really well.

In this case the 'noise' is related to

1. Noise from around the cam/chain area on startup (oil drain from the tensioner?)

2. Noise from general engine running (stretched cam chain)

3. (if you have a noise/tick that persists as you rev the bike up to 4krpm, then this is an indicator you have an issue that would NOT be solved by this updated cap.) From the videos Ive seen this can indicate camshaft lobe failure. (especially if you have a early Gen 1 S1000R)

4. the clutch's can also be noisy. try pulling in the clutch lever to see hwo much if any difference to the overall noise it makes (as this has nothing to do with timing chains!).  search for noisy clutch basket, or clutch basket failure



For my own engine S1000R 2017 Gen 2 Ive owned it from 9,000 to 16,000 miles(today) and the noises have never changed in that time.

1.  I can definitely hear a few seconds additional noise on startup when the bike is left for > week without running (assumed to be the tensioner filling with oil)

2. engine seem noisy but im not entirely sure how much is cam chain

(every other S1000R Ive met in the flesh on rideouts has sounded the same or worse!)

BMW have never issued a recall.
BMW did issue a statement and an alternative part but many dealers are not aware of this. (for the USA really)

All you can do is check your own bike





Heres the USA note on the issue
BMW PuMA measure 54380454
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10154766-9999.pdf




States that at around 9000 miles the cap can be replaced from black to silver IF you have a noise.

BLACK cap is OE fitted at build : Part No 11317718069
SILVER cap
                          : Part No 11318534849


Silver cap (only) is £29
https://www.motorworks.co.uk/timing-chain-tensioner-screw-plug-ena34849-1.html

NOTE : Do not fit the silver cap if you have a low mileage bike
NOTE : If you fit the silver cap and there is no change in noise, you should probably put the black one back in
NOTE : silver must be replaced back to black if you get chain etc replaced (on my bike Im expecting this at 36k miles)

In reality all this cap does is place more pressure on the tensioner which is transferred onto the chain

Alternatives

Instead of just swapping plugs (with fixed distance push on the tensioner), you can go for a 

manual tensioner
https://www.camchaintensioner.co.uk/product/bmw-1000rr-manual-cam-chain-tensioner/
£57

this allows infinite adjustment but is a little trickier to setup to make it tension just the right amount (not too little or too much)

My biggest suggestion would be watch lots of videos and listen to other bikes

videos

startup noise

a continued ticking noise at 4k rpm indicates cam failure and was seen in early RR's?


Fitting Silver cap

I fitted the silver cap at 16395 miles to my bike.

I bought 24mm spanner  (£10) specifically to remove and refit.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09XB9GN8F
I didnt remove any fairings to get access, but it is tight to get access.
I re-used existing o ring

  • Unscrew bolt
  • Take o ring off black cap and fit to silver cap
  • Screw silver cap in (you will have to push it to get the threads to catch)

Of note theres another o ring inside around the tensioner (its bigger than the diameter of the tensioner so i presume its a secondary seal for the cap itself.

It did definitely take away some chain noise from the background 'clatter'

Of note its still a noisy idling bike, so by no means quiet but quieter.





Mine AFTER the silver plug installed








Monday, 2 October 2023

BMW S1000R 2017 front brake pad replacement options, chose and fitted EBC Double H Brake Pads - FA604/4HH (4.5mm backplates)

 

fitted set of EBC front pads at 16144 miles
see associated full service post


Useful information from the service book





4.5mm backing or they fall out when worn

  • front are sintered OE
  • rear are not


  • 4 pads per caliper
  • 2 calipers per front
  • 8 pads needed


min max pads   0.8mm minimum pad material left

min max discs  5mm when new 4.5mm min  

my front discs  are 5mm (no appreciable wear or have been replaced in the past?)


Replacement Pad Options

In the end I chose to fit EBC 


OE ? 34117714800

https://www.arnoldclarkautoparts.com/products/genuine-bmw-motorrad-brake-pads-34117714800

https://bmw.europe-moto.com/gb/bmw-motorcycle-brake-discs-and-pads/12210-bmw-set-of-original-front-brake-pads-s1000rr-k46-s1000r-k47.html

£68 x2 

Carbonne Lorraine XBK5 

Brembo (this is OE isnt it?)

SBS RST 

Lucas TRW https://mtp-racing.co.uk/Front-Brake-Pads-Lucas-TRW-Sinter-MCB829SV-MTP17777


AP Racinghttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383722736495

for 8 7.99 , must be fake surely ?


EBC

https://ebcbrakesdirect.com/motorcycle/bmw/s-1000/58105

The ones I went with on recommendations and price were

£34.98 x2 

EBC Double H Brake Pads - FA604/4HH

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/215336

chose Royal Mail delivery and arrived in 2 days


https://brooksbarn.co.uk/products/ebc-hh-series-sintered-front-brake-pads-fa604-4hh.html

https://www.bikersworldstore.co.uk/ebc-brake-pads-fa604-4hh-p7377

https://ebcbrakesdirect.com/motorcycle/bmw/s-1000/58105

BMW S1000R 18k service at 16144 miles 28/09/23


bike at 16144 miles
bike is 2017 so 6 years old

BMW service manual states things to do at 18k service as




Ideally Id get this done at a dealer but its £££
I never got a response from any BMW Motoradd dealers as to which if any service plans covered this work.

So Ive gone for independent 
completed on my drive by AG Motorcycles

  1. N/A
  2. N/A
  3. Engine oil/filter
  4. check valve clearances
  5. check timing
  6. replace spark plugs
  7. replace air filter
  8. fork oil change
  9. change brake fluid (front and rear)






I could have had 4/5 and 8 also done, but voluntarily chose to exclude them to reduce the costs

doing some research
valve clearance / timing checks almost always show nothing needs to be done
fork oil change isnt necessary 


cost at dealer (also 3 year service plan)

i supplied brake pads see replacement brake pads options post

















Replacement front brake pads

A 4.5mm backplate is required to prevent the brake pads dropping out of the calliper when worn to a high percentage

brakes down to 5.8 mm



min wear limit is stated as 0.8mm

given a 4.5mm backplate (pic) mine were down to (5.8-4.5) 1.3mm
assuming OE brembo pads are 9mm (like the EBC replacements)

Full pad when new = (9-4.5) 4.5mm

So in 16000 miles (assuming pads are from new) I (and others) have used (4.5-1.3) 3.2mm wear

Out of the total pad depth they are 71% worn (if you were to go to 0mm)

if 0.8mm is the wear limit the useable pad depth is (4.5-0.8) 3.7mm
then they are 86% worn.


EBC Double H Brake Pads - FA604/4HH
2 sets 1 for each caliper. for £70 (they were on offer)

EBC pads Sportsbikeshop

9mm thickness total
4.5mm backplate
4.5mm friction material


see also its own blog post 

https://johnoldfield.blogspot.com/2023/10/bmw-s1000r-2017-front-brake-pad.html